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W.A. grower · #1 (**permalink**) 08-25-2006, 01:17 AM

i dont know if it is true but i've heard of a way to increase yeild and light consumption. first you cut the tip of a big plant then put root growth hormones on the tip of the big plant and stick it in the ground making it like a (RoG) rainbow of green. soon the plant will start growing more like a bush but with two different root systems. this would increase the nutrient uptake making the top end healthier.

i've never heard of anything like this on the web before. any enlightenment on the subject would be appreciated

DierWolf · #2 (**permalink**) 08-27-2006, 09:30 PM

try it and see

when i get a shit male i'll try

Num · #3 (**permalink**) 08-27-2006, 10:49 PM

not too sure tbh but from what i've seen of my own shit, if the leaves / stem get buried in soil, they just rot.
I'll let someone else try it out!

lemmenischnikit · #4 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 01:33 AM

this is called grafting... ive never tried it but this is done to friut trees to make hybrids..

Num · #5 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmenischnikit

this is called grafting... ..

no it's not!

grafting is the technique of taking a cutting from 1 plant & splinting it into a slit cut in another.
U can grow trees that produce apples & pears - or oranges, lemons & limes.

http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg.../grafting.html

dire_wolf · #6 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 07:26 AM

about 2 weeks ago i wanted to graft a white widow and cali orange bud on a trainwerck stalk

chimera · #7 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 03:13 PM

it sound like it might work, however, if I was going to try it I would use one of the branches and not the main stalk, that way if it starts dieing all you lose is one branch.

froggy · #8 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 03:31 PM

that would be a form of 'air layering'.

but i must say i cannot see the advantages of the technique. seems like alot of work and a little, if any reward.

froggy · #9 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 03:38 PM

just to expand whilst my frenchtoast cooks...

the phloem and xylum are going in a certain way, up and down. i dont see anyway that they reverse direction. its like trying to drive a banana, they are two totally seperate things.

'flip'

so what will happen (my guess anyhow based on cloning experence) is that the plant will just form another stem, plant and the stem that u put into the ground will be useless to the original plant, as will the new 'clone' u have just created.

'done gtg'

froggy · #10 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 03:51 PM

ok let me expand more whilst the 2nd batch cooks up.

sure u could somehow engineer a banana as a mode of transportation but certainly that would be an increadable effort not to mention the wasted effort because there are such better ways of getting from point 1 to 2 without trying to drive a banana.

same for yields

'flip'

and its about the yield right? u are hoping to get more yield if u do this process?

so one could either take a small clone or 10 at the top of the plant and put them in ur cloning chamber and make some nice clones,

or

u could try ur method which would certainly kill off more than cloning technique, u would certainly slow the plant health, u would be trying to clone in soil which is difficult at best, u have disease and insect problems because of the tips being so close to the ground, and at some pt ur phloem and xylum cannot work so u have this dead area inbetween ur soil and ur original plant. and these are the problems that i can think of while my frenchtoast is cooking, im sure there are many more.

moral of the story, this wont work so just clone...

Num · #11 (**permalink**) 08-28-2006, 04:53 PM

i thought u only toasted 1 side of french toast?

or do u mean that egg dipped shit?

DierWolf · #12 (**permalink**) 08-30-2006, 04:02 PM

Well if it rooted, which believe it would, it would provide more nutrients to the rainbowed stem, from there all it will really do is just the same as LST which is branch out along the bend thereby naturally increasing Yeild just as LST Would, but would get better nutrient uptake to support it.

Think its worth a try, now question is, should i do this in one pot or 2 ?

in other words put the tip in a seperate pot to root?

W.A. grower · #13 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 05:30 AM

i would use a seperate pot so there is more room for growth. you could use different dirt or even hydro you could use this method to experiment with tons of things like fertilizer or different techniques. please post pix if you deside to try it i would love to see it

the buds growing straight up would be so weird looking

TK-Zao · #14 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 10:36 AM

I'm very interested to see this tested, although, I don't know if it would be worth the space of two buckets weighed against the potential gain.

froggy · #15 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 01:35 PM

'Well if it rooted, which believe it would, it would provide more nutrients to the rainbowed stem, from there all it will really do is just the same as LST which is branch out along the bend thereby naturally increasing Yeild just as LST Would, but would get better nutrient uptake to support it.'

well, how would the phloem and the xylem reverse direction? how on earth will this new root system help the existing plant? remember that he wants to put the top of the plant in the ground. so functionally the circulation system would have to reverse, which is impossiable. the plant would absolutely have to make new mechanics inside the plant. to think that the new roots will support existing vegetation is to not understand the physiology of plants.

i think this is a dumb idea. the best that could be hoped for is that the new roots will support a new shoot. so u are just air layering at best and killing ur top at worst.

go ahead and try. knock urself out...

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#1 (permalink) 08-25-2006, 01:17 AM
W.A. grower Med-grower Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cronicland Posts: 250	double rooted plant i dont know if it is true but i've heard of a way to increase yeild and light consumption. first you cut the tip of a big plant then put root growth hormones on the tip of the big plant and stick it in the ground making it like a (RoG) rainbow of green. soon the plant will start growing more like a bush but with two different root systems. this would increase the nutrient uptake making the top end healthier. i've never heard of anything like this on the web before. any enlightenment on the subject would be appreciated Last edited by W.A. grower; 08-27-2006 at 06:56 AM. Reason: to high to spell

#2 (permalink) 08-27-2006, 09:30 PM
DierWolf Ganja Guru Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Caribbean Posts: 4,238	try it and see when i get a shit male i'll try __________________ Signature removed for violation of the signature rule.

#3 (permalink) 08-27-2006, 10:49 PM
Num Vorsprung durch teknik Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: nwuk Posts: 661	not too sure tbh but from what i've seen of my own shit, if the leaves / stem get buried in soil, they just rot. I'll let someone else try it out! __________________ < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuWXiesK7Hw > *http://www.DIYcanna.biz*

#4 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 01:33 AM
lemmenischnikit ATOKADAT Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 183	this is called grafting... ive never tried it but this is done to friut trees to make hybrids..

#6 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 07:26 AM
dire_wolf Homegrower Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: feet on the ground, head in the sky Posts: 340	about 2 weeks ago i wanted to graft a white widow and cali orange bud on a trainwerck stalk __________________ If you dont know where you are going Any road will take you there

#7 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 03:13 PM
chimera Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,347	it sound like it might work, however, if I was going to try it I would use one of the branches and not the main stalk, that way if it starts dieing all you lose is one branch.

#8 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 03:31 PM
froggy Old School Stoner Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: way north of u Posts: 1,363	that would be a form of 'air layering'. but i must say i cannot see the advantages of the technique. seems like alot of work and a little, if any reward. __________________ froggy For as long as space endures, And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I, too, abide To dispel the misery of the world.

#9 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 03:38 PM
froggy Old School Stoner Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: way north of u Posts: 1,363	just to expand whilst my frenchtoast cooks... the phloem and xylum are going in a certain way, up and down. i dont see anyway that they reverse direction. its like trying to drive a banana, they are two totally seperate things. 'flip' so what will happen (my guess anyhow based on cloning experence) is that the plant will just form another stem, plant and the stem that u put into the ground will be useless to the original plant, as will the new 'clone' u have just created. 'done gtg' __________________ froggy For as long as space endures, And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I, too, abide To dispel the misery of the world.

#10 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 03:51 PM
froggy Old School Stoner Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: way north of u Posts: 1,363	ok let me expand more whilst the 2nd batch cooks up. sure u could somehow engineer a banana as a mode of transportation but certainly that would be an increadable effort not to mention the wasted effort because there are such better ways of getting from point 1 to 2 without trying to drive a banana. same for yields 'flip' and its about the yield right? u are hoping to get more yield if u do this process? so one could either take a small clone or 10 at the top of the plant and put them in ur cloning chamber and make some nice clones, or u could try ur method which would certainly kill off more than cloning technique, u would certainly slow the plant health, u would be trying to clone in soil which is difficult at best, u have disease and insect problems because of the tips being so close to the ground, and at some pt ur phloem and xylum cannot work so u have this dead area inbetween ur soil and ur original plant. and these are the problems that i can think of while my frenchtoast is cooking, im sure there are many more. moral of the story, this wont work so just clone... __________________ froggy For as long as space endures, And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I, too, abide To dispel the misery of the world.

#11 (permalink) 08-28-2006, 04:53 PM
Num Vorsprung durch teknik Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: nwuk Posts: 661	i thought u only toasted 1 side of french toast? or do u mean that egg dipped shit? __________________ < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuWXiesK7Hw > *http://www.DIYcanna.biz*

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#12 (permalink) 08-30-2006, 04:02 PM
DierWolf Ganja Guru Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Caribbean Posts: 4,238	Well if it rooted, which believe it would, it would provide more nutrients to the rainbowed stem, from there all it will really do is just the same as LST which is branch out along the bend thereby naturally increasing Yeild just as LST Would, but would get better nutrient uptake to support it. Think its worth a try, now question is, should i do this in one pot or 2 ? in other words put the tip in a seperate pot to root? __________________ Signature removed for violation of the signature rule.

#13 (permalink) 08-31-2006, 05:30 AM
W.A. grower Med-grower Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cronicland Posts: 250	i would use a seperate pot so there is more room for growth. you could use different dirt or even hydro you could use this method to experiment with tons of things like fertilizer or different techniques. please post pix if you deside to try it i would love to see it the buds growing straight up would be so weird looking __________________ Smoke weed every day Last edited by W.A. grower; 08-31-2006 at 05:32 AM.

#14 (permalink) 08-31-2006, 10:36 AM
TK-Zao Full Blown Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 93	I'm very interested to see this tested, although, I don't know if it would be worth the space of two buckets weighed against the potential gain.

#15 (permalink) 08-31-2006, 01:35 PM
froggy Old School Stoner Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: way north of u Posts: 1,363	'Well if it rooted, which believe it would, it would provide more nutrients to the rainbowed stem, from there all it will really do is just the same as LST which is branch out along the bend thereby naturally increasing Yeild just as LST Would, but would get better nutrient uptake to support it.' well, how would the phloem and the xylem reverse direction? how on earth will this new root system help the existing plant? remember that he wants to put the top of the plant in the ground. so functionally the circulation system would have to reverse, which is impossiable. the plant would absolutely have to make new mechanics inside the plant. to think that the new roots will support existing vegetation is to not understand the physiology of plants. i think this is a dumb idea. the best that could be hoped for is that the new roots will support a new shoot. so u are just air layering at best and killing ur top at worst. go ahead and try. knock urself out... __________________ froggy For as long as space endures, And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I, too, abide To dispel the misery of the world.