1stgrow DWC 400watt growbox HELP?

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just stirring your rez occasionally will keep it oxygenated. Just splash around a bit and get some oxygen in it. Just do it every couple hours. Cooler ware holds more oxygen, so if your water is above 72F, throw in a frozen bottle of water to cool it down.

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i did all that thanks for the tips now the power is on again WOOO!

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now i get to change my water in a while once the lights come on. lowering the level a bit. lowering my nute dosage. no liquid karma. keeping the res cool, theres a slight bad smell but again i think the liquid karma gave me some problems, some im fighting back now, just in case. I may go get something from the hydo store, Aquasheild? clearex? idk some of those things. they recommended me some stuff to fight root rot n such but i dont remember the names. Not even sure i have a real problem, but id rather be safe than sorry, cant afford to lose these plants!

[knr117]

Originally Posted by ads420

got 2 new 12 inch air stones! I filled the res. to touching the bottoms of the net pots now, so they arent really submerged much anymore.

I stopped reading your thread when i read the comments in quotes above. Someone may address this but if not then I'm taking the time to do so now.

If you leave the soup touching the bottom of any pot for to long it can cause root rot. If the res temps are above 68f then your chances are even greater. I understand your only wanting to make sure the smaller plant gets plenty to drink but in my view (it's just my view) I would be far more worried about the plant that is growing good than the one that isn't (I'm not suggesting you forget about the small plant).

I only say this because your using a tub which means what 1 plant gets what they all get.

My advise is either lower the soup level to 1/2in below all pots or make a DWC bucket for the plant that is growing slow.

Again, if someone has already mentioned this then just disregard my post. Otherwise review what I have said and judge for yourself. I grow in DWC buckets only per Rumple instructions on this forum. If your new, read all you can and then read some more. Then fall asleep, wake up, and read some more.

Air, I use 2 6in air stones per bucket. Some feel this is over kill and it may be but it works for me. looking at your tub I would install more stones. Not because of plant count but because of tub size.

I hope this info helps you in some way. I'm keeping my rocking chair close so I can see your grow.

keep it Green.....

[knr117]

Originally Posted by ads420

now i get to change my water in a while once the lights come on. lowering the level a bit. lowering my nute dosage. no liquid karma. keeping the res cool, theres a slight bad smell but again i think the liquid karma gave me some problems, some im fighting back now, just in case. I may go get something from the hydo store, Aquasheild? clearex? idk some of those things. they recommended me some stuff to fight root rot n such but i dont remember the names. Not even sure i have a real problem, but id rather be safe than sorry, cant afford to lose these plants!

I just read the rest of the thread and the smell is a bad sign and roots falling off is always a bad sign. Also I seen some of the roots have a brown color to them. Is the brown there or was it due to the camera?

If the brown is there and the smell is there, add H2O2, check the res temps, and make sure your water line is correct and Ph should be between 5.8-6.0
keep it Green...

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KNR: thanks for the tips man, alot of good info. gonna take ur advice on everything that i havent done already. I've already lowered the level to 1 1/2" bellow the pot, The brown roots mostly washed off it was because of the liquid karma, im not gonna use that anymore, at least not until in flowering. but im going to change out my res right now. and add in 2 tablespoons per gallon of H2O2 (is wut i heard is a good amount) . res temp currently 70.

i am also going to purchase some hydrogaurd, aquasheild, or hygrozyme? idk yet. something like that. still researching what i should be doing to prevent or fight any problems in my res.

trust me i have read alot and continue reading alot its all i ever do. ive read alot of rumples stuff, im thinking about converting to individual buckets.

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Alright, so the problems i experienced with the roots, i think is/was root rot, but i think i am catching it early before it destroys everything. I completely cleaned out my res. new water. new nutes. NO liquid karma. washed everything, all tubes, all pumps. filled with clean water and H2O2 then rinsed and did it again. I rinsed off the roots, some fell off, some i took off. minor damage. Lots of white/offwhite roots now. I know Ive got to work hard to prevent the root rot from happening, can't afford to lose this crop. I Added 2 teaspoons per gallon of Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) to my mix this time, Kind of low dosage? I'm not sure exactly how much I should be putting, ive heard many things, so comments? I am looking into getting hydroguard or hygrozyme to use in the res to fight this still minor problem. I think I handled the situation well, just hopping things pick up even more. especially for the younger hindu skunk, its stil sluggin along. getting quite a few new roots. I took out the feeder tubes from the Bogglegum, but still have them in the hindu, just till a few more roots are down then the pump is coming out. Because the hindu skunk is still young and ive been seeing minor signs of nute burn i now went with 1/4 strength recommended dose to start. Will bump it up little by little if able to/need.

Nutes:
3.75ml per Gallon Pure Blend Pro Grow
1.5ml per Gallon Cal Mag PLUS
2teaspoons(10ml) per Gallon 3% H2O2

Room Temp:
Lights ON 80-90F (depends on weather here, luckily mostly cold)
Lights OFF 68-75F

Res. Temp:
67F

Any questions, comments, advice? Thanks for your time

ON WITH THE PICTURES!
Look a lil better?



Hindu Skunk (still a few problems with this one, working on it though)



Bogglegum




random shots:



Thanks guys

[knr117]

Originally Posted by ads420

tablespoons per gallon of H2O2 (is wut i heard is a good amount) . res temp currently 70 i am also going to purchase some hydrogaurd, aquasheild, or hygrozyme? idk yet. something like that. still researching what i should be doing to prevent or fight any problems in my res.

The products you mentioned here I have never used. If you do get them please post your results of use.

I am fighting root rot right now and the only thing I have found that seems to work is H2O2. I use a half cup per gallon of water. Then a 1/4 dose of nutes. I change the res every 3 days till it is gone. If the rot is real bad I don't add nutes at all.

The rot can get in our systems in many ways. 1 of the easiest is by bugs. Mainly gnats!
Many insects carry the pathogen from plant to plant. In fact it will only infect well maintained systems with plenty of food (unused by plants) at a time when the plant has been weakened.

Sometimes I'll do the following- Fill the system with Ph water at 5.8 to the very bottom of the rockwool. Trick here is to make sure the water only touches the bottom. The reason I do this is because the "rot" needs O2 in order to live so if the roots are under water then to survive it must look else where to find air. It will find it at the bottom of the bucket near the air stones. The stones also have a rough surface for the rot growth to adhere to. And it does just that, I've seen it grow and cover my 6in stones complete.
I'll let the system run like this for 3 days and then change the res.

When I do the rot growth will be near the O2 and off the roots. I use 2 air stones for this because the rot will take alot of the O2 out of the system and in affect make our plants short of breath. So with 2 stones the plants has a better chance to breath.

I then empty the res throw the stones away and bleach the whole system. then fill with distilled water and a 1/4 dose of nutes. If all is well after 3 days I then dump res, re-fill and add a 1/2 dose of nutes. I also spray the roots off with a mix of 1 part H2O2 to 3 parts water gently. If all goes well after another 3 days I then dump, re-fill with full dose of nutes.

My way isn't the only way it is just what works for me. It is weird to see this crap on the stones. Its slimy and nasty. Some may feel that the H2O2 I use is to much but it has never hurt my plants and I always use some in every nute mix. Root rot is 1 of the worse battles as growers we have to fight. 1 benefit to hydro in my view is that we can see the rot easy and be able to respond more quickly. In soil this is harder to do. But root rot don't get a hold of the plants as easy in soil as it does in hydro so its kinda a trade off. For some reason in my system if my temps get over 78f I always seem to get the rot, never fails. I also know growers that always run there systems near 80f and never have a problem. Luck of the draw I guess.

File this info away, it may be of some use one day.

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If problems persist i will try that method, sounds really good man. Thanks for that info, definetly gonna save that lol

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no new signs of rot this morning, so looking good this morning, i untied the LST on the hindu skunk, i dont think im going to bother LSTing it, i dont know what to do as of right now, I HAVE to switch to flower on the 18th because i need to be done in time for christmas. going out of town. Im just going to let it grow normal or see what happens i guess. thoughts? ideas?

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The yellowing in the hindu skunks leaves continues, mainly in the older ones, why is this? i thought it was nute burn im only at 1/4 strength nutes and still seeing it, the bogglegum is now showing yellowing in its bigger older and lower leaves, not alot. i figure this is an N def? could it be thought the same of both plants? whats my problem here?

[knr117]

Originally Posted by ads420

The yellowing in the hindu skunks leaves continues, mainly in the older ones, why is this? i thought it was nute burn im only at 1/4 strength nutes and still seeing it, the bogglegum is now showing yellowing in its bigger older and lower leaves, not alot. i figure this is an N def? could it be thought the same of both plants? whats my problem here?

In my view the yellowing is do to the root trouble. The fact that it is now showing on the other plants is a good sign of this. The slime takes in all the plant matter and nutes, O2, and so on that it can. Sometimes it does in fact take a few days for this kind of trouble to show up in the green matter of the plant. It will also make the Ph spike, sometimes just hours after you adjust it. Because root rot infects the system the way it does it will show in the plant as nute def of different types. When you clean the system or do a water change the plants and PH will do better for about 3 days and you will think you got it kicked. But then BAM! its back!!

My advise would be to do water changes every couple of days with only 1/4 dose of nutes for 1 week. Then after the 3rd res fill, let the system run for 3 days. Check PH often. If the PH holds with just a few point change over the 3 days then on the 4th day add another 1/4 dose and let the system run 3 days checking PH often. If all is well on the 7th day do a res change and this time add 1/2 dose nutes. From this point build your nutes back up to full dose a little at a time if you do all at once you'll burn the plants.

Also once this shit is in your system it can always come back, keep a close eye on it. Even if it has been months without it, still check. The crap will sneak back up on ya. Matter of fact, some growers feel it is almost better to scrap the grow and start from scratch. It stunts the growth of the plants so much that you can almost make up the time starting new than you will doctoring the sic plants. I know this to be true because I have started new plants and watched them overtake the plants with the rot. The crap really sux!

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my PH has been stable since tuesday. the rot has shown very little if at all, growth. The roots continue to come down looking good and plenty new ones, but i know its still there. ive upped to 4 teaspoons per gallon of H2O2. Still havent gone to the hydro shop to get hydrogaurd or anything yet. i need to asap to keep this going, not showing much stunted growth, only on the hindu skunk, which is odd cuz showing the def but not much browning. I will continue to change my system offten and plan on using the method u suggested.

[knr117]

The cab your using, it almost looks like you built it yourself, the frame, doors, walls? If so, what did you use for it material wise?

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i did build it myself. Frame is made out of PVC pipe. The walls are made out of 1/2inch insulation board, matte reflective on the inside. doors same stuff with velcro to seal. and i used duct tape, reflective aluminum tape, and zip ties. pretty simple. u can look to 1st page to see more abt it.