Welcome One and all to "Grass City Stadium".......

[DierWolf]

LOL competition LOL, noooo

Yes what i meant was outside (i am not saying they are not there, but they do not infest the plant like indoors, you may find one or 2 but they really odnt bother the MJ trees outside for some reason... still up to today havent gotten any outside, but indoors, boy thats a different thing but as i mentioned in one of my threads its only when i buy crappy potting soil instead of the TH-1... its weird.. but anyways i got the remedy hehe..

As for houseplants only houseplants i got is MJ I use spraysafe, its a wonderful product for spidermites.

Reason i am asking about the hydro in pepper is im wondering if i should just use soil and make a nice herb/veggie garden on my balcony or if i should try some bell's indoors in bubbler, thats all.

[DrBudGreengenes]

Dr. Bud calling in ............is there anybody out there left?
Or is it just me and Ol' #7 left out here?
Transmitting photos......Over

[senior_ganj]

ill come play with you doc

[senior_ganj]

Updates anyone?

Day 5 of budding.... Strain is new purple power from nirvana. Had to trim the roots only once so far. Just kinda winging this...

[Rabiez]

Hellew!

I'm having fun too:



From right to left;

Straight up, topped and de-leafed, topped, can't remember, and topped-topped-topped and deleafed all the way.

All with root trimming on a regular basis.

I'll bung 1 or 2 of them into flower soon, just for a laugh, and keep root trimming 1 but not t'other and see where it goes.

Now check my mini bubblers...



Again from right to left;

Straight up, deleafed at top 2 nodes before 12/12, and debranched.

Looks nicer from up here...



Which also shows my little floater, <img STYLE="position:absolute; TOP:35px; LEFT:120px; border="0" src="http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost/data/500/NonMaliciousBitOfFun_HopeItsCool.gif">budding away in his private pool.

These are all running on straight-from-the-tap-water with a pH of between 7.8 and 8.4, ppm around 220, no nutes or pH correction whatsoever.

I didn't wait as long before triggering flower this time, so there's hopefully plenty of room in the syringes.

Speaking of which...



Hahaha! Stupid plants!

[Rabiez]

Evenin' all.

Here's a slight update on my current goings on.

I now only have two eligible plants in soil, having transplanted the other three into one big pot for a spot of veg before I flower them.

My solitary vegging bonsai plant:



I'm a plonker, I know.

Anyway, that was 12 days ago, this is today...



I surprised myself with those pics.

Still, onward to the flowering section of the soil entries.

This one's about a week into flower. Tiny-weeny buds so far.



Time will tell.

On to the hydro.

These seedlings were started in soil for a few days, then transferred to DWC as I needed my bonsai pots for other things. The minibub setup was already running on straight tap water to iron out a few glitches, so I decided to bung the seedlings in and see what happened.

All the way through veg, I just sloshed more water in when the reservoir was getting empty, and walked away.

Growth was acceptable, but uniformly pale.

I'm now 'some way' (4 weeks? ish?) into flowering, and have (reluctantly) had to abandon my blasé attitude toward these little plants, for reasons that will become obvious.

Last week the reservoir was topped up with excess veg solution left over from watering, so that was about 0.5 litres added to the 20L res.

Deficiences slowed, but kept creeping, so this week I've cracked, and given them another feed. What's more, this time it's actually the right fert.

5ml Canna Aqua Vega A+B, 2ml Canna Boost.

Don't get too excited though, Canna reckons 100ml A+B, 40-80ml Boost for my res size.

Anyway, for now it's stopped the creeping, and I still haven't adjusted pH once during the whole grow. Don't get me wrong; I'm measuring and monitoring both pH and PPM on a (mostly) daily basis, I just don't do anything about it when it's off (all the time). My best (worst) figure has been with about a litre left in the res, when it hit pH 8.8, don't worry though; I topped it up with some pH8.2 from the tap, giving me a healthy 8.3 with a full res. Heh.

Here's an overview shot...



The left plant has had all branches removed, and although at this stage the top cola is slightly larger than the plant on the far right, I'm not sure that the increased cola yield will be sufficient to make up for the 8 or so little branched buds that it's missing.

The middle plant is my favorite. By chopping 2 sets of fan leaves before chucking it into flower, it's hasn't been able to stretch so badly, giving it a nice compact appearance. Yield will be down though, no doubt.

Have some nug shots...



Looking alrighty methinks! (esp. as you can't see the palid colour of the fan leaves)




And finally, people talk about LED technology being the future of growing, and as my little plants would lend themselves perfectly to a trial, I thought I'd give it a shot...


Red 650nm 55,000mcd 55 degrees
Blue 440nm 55,000mcd 55 degrees


I've added some to my bubblers, in the greatest tradition of boy racers everywhere, and with no regard to performance enhancements of any type.






Am I doing something wrong?

[mordgrow]

haha, awsome rabiez.. those mini bonzi plants rock!

[willydog]

WOW, incredible Rabiez!

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Diggin the mini plants- I'm about the harvest the smallest plant I've ever seen myself. I was drawn to this thread because of the 'mini bubbler bonsai' link in your sig- I'm planning on doing something similar using some small tupperwear containers.

However I'm a little confused as to why you would put the LED lights on your root systems. From what I've read of your posts you know what you are doing... So what gives?

[Dave28]

Hey Rabiez, are you using any other lights besides that? I am starting some soon, and i must say i have never even heard of this "bubbler" concept. I was thinking of experimenting with LED myself, but i am baffled at how the lights are pointed at the bubbler. I suppose i don't know much about the vast possibilities of the indoor world, i mostly grow outdoors. I am going to start my first indoor grow with CFL's sometime soon. Any explination about the setup would be appriciated is that a tent also? haha

[Rabiez]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Diggin the mini plants- I'm about the harvest the smallest plant I've ever seen myself.

I think I've seen a pic of that in your journal, but haven't actually read that far yet. I'll make the effort to catch up tomorrow.

I was drawn to this thread because of the 'mini bubbler bonsai' link in your sig- I'm planning on doing something similar using some small tupperwear containers.

Ooh! Sounds like fun. Do keep us informed. Mordgrow has the makings of a nice little setup going too.

However I'm a little confused as to why you would put the LED lights on your root systems. From what I've read of your posts you know what you are doing...

HA!

So what gives?

Flavouring innit;

Red makes the bud taste like mangoes
Blue makes it taste like strawberries
Green makes it taste like cauliflower

See my answer to Dave28 for bafflement in the scientificallity of it all.

Originally Posted by Dave28

Hey Rabiez, are you using any other lights besides that?

Yes. The main growlight is a 600W HPS.

I am starting some soon, and i must say i have never even heard of this "bubbler" concept.

My setup is a little complicated due to its size, but the theory is very simple; roots are suspended in solution (usually in a bucket), which is kept oxygenated by blowing bubbles through it. Search for 'bubble bucket', 'DWC', or 'deep water culture' for more info, or have a nose about halfway down this post.

I was thinking of experimenting with LED myself, but i am baffled at how the lights are pointed at the bubbler. I suppose i don't know much about the vast possibilities of the indoor world, i mostly grow outdoors. I am going to start my first indoor grow with CFL's sometime soon. Any explination about the setup would be appriciated is that a tent also? haha

Yep, it is a tent.

The mini-bubbler was designed and developed specifically for this thread and competition, and a reasonable commentary on its' evolution and the theory behind it is contained toward the beginning of this thread, probably from page 5 or page 6 onwards.

CFL bulbs are a great way to start indoors; I'm sure you'll do well.

Now then...

The LED rootlighting is about harnessing the propensity of photoautotrophic, photomixotrophic and photoheterotrophic microbes to create sugars, carbohydrates, and oxygen at varying light wavelengths, to influence the flavour of the bud.

The red LED @ 650nm stimulates growth and reproduction in the photoautotrophic microbes, which create the sugars that lead to the mango flavouring.

The blue LED @ 440nm stimulates the photoheterotrophic microbes which use carbon dioxide and water to make the carbohydrates that give the strawberry flavour.

The green LED @ 540nm stimulates the photomixotrophic microbes which essentially just adds oxygen to the solution, and doesn't really make your bud taste like cauliflower.


Obviously it's not quite that simple. For example; the photoautotrophic microbes that are stimulated by the red LED include various algeas which if not controlled (convieniently enough by 5% blue light) will use all the oxygen in the solution and drown the plant.

Heh. Glad you asked? Gotta love microbiology!


*doffs dumbass hat*



*High-fives DrBud*


It's quite an advanced technique which should not be attempted by anyone, as it would seem to fly in the face of common sense; roots grow underground in the dark, light can stunt their lateral and radial growth, and rootlighting colour can't possibly influence flavour, as eny fule knos.

Don't they?

[trikky]

Rabiez, you may be the funniest person I've ever not met. You crack me up.

[Dave28]

And here I thought i knew a lot about the sciences of growing. After seeking more information on the bubbler and DWC concept i understand it totally now. Microbiology is not something i ever took

[Mr.GoodStuff]

I'll just stick to keeping them in the dark LOL

[Rabiez]

Originally Posted by trikky

Rabiez, you may be the funniest person I've ever not met.

Hehe, I remember not meeting you. Shall we make a date to not meet again?

Your crack; me up.

*wince*

Not that sort of date.

Originally Posted by Dave28

Microbiology is not something i ever took

Jolly good. Remind me to tell you about how rhizbotigens can be used to double the size of trichomes, at some stage.

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

I'll just stick to keeping them in the dark LOL

Heh, I dunno. No sense of adventure, some people.

I'll assume you guessed, but in case anyone didn't; I was untruthful about rootlighting enhancing the flavours of mango and strawberry.








It's really banana and horseradish.



*twats self on head*

Sorry.

OK. It's bullshit about the flavours. Totally. Well, nearly totally.

Most of the science stuff, though, is based in fact. Phototrophic microbes (auto, mixo, and hetero) can be influenced by light to produce sugars, carbs, and oxygen, amongst other things.

Let me tell you aaaaaall about it...

*falls asleep*