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Old 02-02-2006, 01:49 AM
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Free Will, what role does it have? Im confused.

I am at a stage where I neither believe nor dis-believe in the existance of God, so I am an Athiest, but also a Thiest. I sit in the middle of this broad belief spectrum. As should every human who is unable to prove the existance in more ways than belief, but thats another debate!

In a round-a-bout way, I believe that there is a God, I also believe that there isn't a God.. as we Humans have created him from our own perception, and our own mind is within the realms of human knowledge and understanding, is God?. Yet we have no concrete evidence to support the perception in which we believe.

A Teleological way of thinking would be to say that for everything that is created there is a designer who creates it. Anything that can be done, can be undone. And anyone who lives, dies. Everything as we know it has a starting point and an ending point, this applies to anything and anyone. Does this apply to religion?

Does the starting point of religions begin with physical evidence that is pasted through the ages?
Was there actually a real God who spoke, guided, and taught the people of Earth the ways in which he wanted them to be. Or do we make up this impossible vision of how we want to live and in our eyes we have to match up to a superior being, whether this being exists in fable, myth, or Religion?

I have theorised over this for years and am still no clearer as to what I need to know in order to believe or disbelieve.

We as a race believe in many differant aspects of God and religion, a lot of people believe outright that a Monothiest God rules the entirity of existance and everything we know, as we know it. This translates into much of our society, in which Christianity, Catholics, and the other religions we face daily fall into place. This means that God, is God, and there is no disputing the fact in a Dogmatic sense. Which I find very, very hard to swallow.

Is it really that simple?

God is God and cannot be questioned for he is the creator and the creator knows all, I am but one man with idealism, so, how dare I question the structure of life and law, I accept it, and take it for what it is, and believe that I am essential to the cosmos and the cause that has reason, which is not yet known. I cant just believe this, for Christianity and other dilluted religions are separating themself from the truth of God.
Which is; if there is a God then there is nothing that we can do to ever separate us from him and sitting in a church week after week shows us nothing but dedication to a cause weaker than one of searching.

Which brings me to my point of free will, if we have free will then there is no way way for God to intervene on our will..we have no boundries as to what we can think or do, we can believe in the devil if we want to as that is what God gave us > the option to think freely and to express if not impose ourselves as we see fit. If he wanted us to believe in him fully then he wouldn't have given us the option to think otherwise.
If it is universally true that we are the Children of God, then why does he not act upon his power? why does he not fix the broken things in life? Is it a test for us to struggle our way through life to realise that the creator made it this way? i dont think it is.

Rationalism is a branch of philosophy where the truth is determined by reason. So naturally, Religion is unrational as there is no reason to believe in a God that gives us the option to not believe in him!

And so the Ontological argument goes; There is no greater attempt at creating a perfect God in our minds. As nothing greater than God can ever be concieved of, therefore, he exsits, but creating such perfection mirrors the opposite of perfection, evil! I know this is a very western approach to it but I cant think of any other way to approach it.


So, what's up with free will... Can it be if we are allowed to choose against a creator, or is this a way in which the answer is perfectly hidden.

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