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Old 11-08-2004, 10:23 PM
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"but have you not considered that under such a system everyone would find a job they actually liked doing? ok sure, the majority would take longer out of work, but this would easily be made up for by the increase in productivity due to a very happy workforce. imagine it.... everyone with a job loves their job! even the most stringent ecconomist would see the silver lining in that idea. the reward for work sould be the work itself and what is achieved through that work, the motive to work sould be to feel passionately about your work, not because you simply need to do it to survive. being coerced through fear into doing something you dont want to do for the most of your time seems absurd to me, especially when that fear is manufactured. doing that to people on mass surely would have a very negative effect on society that would only grow and worsen with time."

Using this logic, who would become janitors? Who would work at Burger King and cook fries? I dont know too many people who like working there. The reason pure Socialsim cant/wont work is because the number of benificiaries will outnumber the contributers. When people see they dont have to do as much work without fear of being poor/hungry/homeless, more people will stop working.

The appeal of socialism make it popular. It does sound like a nice idea. But it simply will not work. This idea of everyone living in harmony and everyone loving their job and benifiting from their neighbor's work simply wont work. My guess would be there would be a rise in the number of career musicians/actors/writers, which would further take away from corporate jobs and low paying/high workload jobs. Who would lay bricks when they find an easier job? And do you want to talk about power curupting? The governemt will have ALL the power, which is why most socialist societies drift into facism. Socialism gives ALL the power to a few.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."


Funny thing about guns, more people get killed in car wrecks, fires, overdose from drugs and/or alcohol, but guns get all the attention. More people die from falls each year. I also do not think i should be punished because you live in an area where you fear for your life because someone could have a gun. Banning guns does not take them away from the criminals, who do not buy their guns legally. Banning would only increase the black market, which would create more violence just as the drug black market has, and criminals will still have thier guns.

All the people who are in favor of gun control, think about this next time you sit down to eat your hamburger. That used to be a living cow. He lived in a tiny field his entire life, he was shot up with steriods, and was slaughtered by someone so you could eat it. Someone who hunts has to find where the animals are, and it doesnt take just walking in the woods. They hunt, track, and kill the animal. It lived a free life. That person also drags it to his truck, cleans it, and eats it. Which is more fair????????? Hunting and killing a free animal or paying someone to pick one out of a pasture and kill it for you?

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."

Edit: Maybe the guy living off 15,000$ should get an education. He should look back at his life and ask himself what he has done that he hasnt. Anyone willing to work, even with just a highschool education, can get a job making more than that. He might want to think about going to a tech school or apply at a place with job training, or transfer to a different department in his own workplace where he could learn a skill and make more money. He might even start a part time job!

Who spends the money in this country? Who goes on vacations, buys cars, boats, golf clubs, goes out to clubs, buys land? The rich. They would be paying more than the poor. The flattax would tax people based on how they live their life.

http://www.fairtax.org/ This is the current form, but i think this idea with some reformations could work very well.

Last edited by Gilligan; 11-08-2004 at 11:08 PM.