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Originally Posted by Grim Bongmaster
by the way, you can keep your che quotes, I'll stick with Ayn Rand quotes. I like to stay away from quotes that incourage the totalitarian rule of government bereaucracy. "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". -orwell.
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sure, whoever floats your boat. i'd prefer to stay away from a system that will inevitably lead to the totalitarian corporate government.
totalitarianism, extreme authority, bureaucracy, etc... yep, these be things to avoid for sure!
for too long left and right have had an argument going on, and it never changes... we always took away the freedoms we thought were bad for society and never gave any back (not enough anyways), so the left always were pissed at the right wing govs for taking their personal freedom and the right were always pissed at the left wing govs for taking their ecconomic freedom... very clever way for taking the slow path to an all out fascist dictatorship. wait... i've said this before recently..... lol, hope it wasnt in this thread.
yo, grim... wanna team up as a force to unite left and right in a quest to claw back our freedom?
hey, u ever taken the world's smallest political quiz yet?
http://forum.grasscity.com/showthrea...0&page=1&pp=40 (i hope that link works... it looks funny.
reading what Charles Jr up there has to say, i'm suprised to see myself so strongly in agreement with much of what he said, and yet still see some potentially dangerous political oversimplification, particularly on "socialism". He cites some very good examples of socialism gone wong... and yet, he uses these examples seemingly as the basis for his definition of socialism as "socialism, arguably the most stultifying and regressive form of government in the world today". i'd only as that you remember that "socialism" is only a word, and that it can be applied to many flavours of government. its kinda like seeing the word "fresh" on a grocery product, it doesnt really mean anything. Adolf Hitler is said to have started off as a socialist! a powerful lesson for anyone calling themself a socialist. So my point being, just check up on "socialism" (and its different varietys) before throwing anything with that label out the window.
particularly
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html and perhaps also "socialism from the ground up" (i think thats its title, but i can't find it just now) might be a little more relevant to socialism.
Socialsim, like ANY government, should not have its power granted from government, from the top of a hierarchical comand chain, this form of socialism is proven not to work. As with any form of government, for it to be stable, long lasting and effective, it must come from the "grass roots", from the people.
anything else is corrupt.