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Old 07-21-2004, 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by stoned_soldier
you didn't quite answer my question. if it was obvious to everyone who met him that he was god in the flesh why would they decide to kill him? surely no one would kill their own god. even the chief high priests would have known who he was, or no?

so were the high priests living in denial or was jesus just another prophet.. because surely a god would open the eyes of the masses to all who met it or heard its true word..
I had this huge thing typed out that I was going to post in response to this, but I just threw it all away... I remembered some better verses that will better answer your questions...

Jesus out-right told the Jews that He was the Son of God...

"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. As he spake these words, many believed on him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commiteth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not int he house for ever: but the Son abideth ever, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free ineed. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,a nd abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God... Jesus answered; If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." John 8: 23-47, 54-59

There were people who believed him, and there were people who didn't. His preaching, teaching, and miracles convinced a lot of people. He then backed it up by telling them that he and his father are one, and that if they believe on Him they will not see death. They had been waiting for the Messiah for a long time, and a good amount of people recognized that Jesus was that Messiah. The Jews were expecting to see the Messiah come to set up His earthly kingdom though... not die the most painful, brutal, humiliating death ever. They were expecting a different kind of redemption, but the only price that could reconcile us back to God was a perfect blood sacrifice. Jesus literally took the sin of the world and paid the price for it. This was prophecied over and over again throughout the Old Testament. The high priests just were too blind to see that it was the blood of Christ, not their good works. They were so proudful, self-righteous, and arrogant, that they were blinded to the truth, and when it was finally taught by Christ, it angered them to the point where they eventually killed Him.
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