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Old 01-16-2009, 05:44 AM
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Re: Socialism and property rights

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Originally Posted by vostibackle View Post
Indeed. Luckily for us, it's very efficient and profitable for people to work together in a free market.



But, it must be a moral issue, unless adherence to socialism just means the belief that "the workers will rise up and take control of the means of production." Does it? I thought socialism was the belief that "the workers should rise up and take control of the means of production." Socialists don't just believe in the objective fact that this will occur, they also belief that this revolution is desirable and/or good, right?

Why do they think it's desirable? Because everyone will be better off (utilitarianism)? Because they'll be better off (haha, selfish socialists..)? Or what? What's the ultimate justification?

Or is socialism really just speculative sociology and not a political belief?
Socialism is the only alternative to a painful decent into barbarism. That's all it is. It's the next step of human society, just as capitalism was the next step after feudalism, which was preceded by primitive communism.

Capitalism is based on contradictions within itself, which creates systematic crises, that will continue to get worse as capitalism decays and destroys itself. It's a role as a progressive economic movement has already been accomplished, and now it just stands in the way of progress. It died in the 1930s, and was only saved by the death of millions of people, and the money made off of war.

But that cannot go on forever. It's as Albert Einstein said, "I don't know what weapons world war III will be fought with, but I do know that world war IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Capitalism is obsolete, and it continues to rot. As the capitalist elite desperately try to protect the power, the state becomes more repressive on the workers. We're starting to see the beginnings of this today.

It won't be long now, huge social explosions will ignite class struggle, and the socialists will lead that struggle, organize the masses, and overthrow the ruling class. Society will be run according to a democratic plan, involving all the workers making collective decisions on the good of society. Wealth and food will be in abundance, and everyone will be 'rich' so to speak. The state will cease to exist and humans will only continue to advanced, long past the threat of self-annhilation.


If there are any advanced aliens out there that managed to get past the problems we're going through now, and managed not to destroy themselves, they would most likely be a classless stateless society, i.e communist.


It's either a socialist revolution, or barbarism. That's the objective fact. What's subjective is whether or not a socialist revolution is possible.
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