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Chirstiandude · #1 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 11:43 AM

Id just like to clear up some of the things on this forum

I respect your views on your own religion,but please do not go prancing around spreading false accusations about mine

Id liked to clear some things up with you guys so here goes:

1: Who is Jesus
Jesus is God in flesh.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . .and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. . . ," (John 1:1,14).
"Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, <sup>18</sup>and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades," (Rev. 1:1718)."Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me," (Isaiah 44:6).

Their is only 1 God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22) There is only one God who is three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person as the other. Yet, there are not three gods, only one.Theirs three different ones because they each display a different attribute,but their very aware of their own existance(wtf moment) They are simply different forms of the same person like how water appears in 3 different forms(liquid,solid,gas) hm...water is a life giving force,according to science water is a necessity in order to create/hold life.

2:What is His purpose?
Jesus came to earth to get rid of all our sins(you know the bad stuff we do)he died for all of our sins on the cross.

He also came to reveal who is boss.
(Matt. 11:27)

Came to save the world
(John 3:17; Luke 19:10)

To bring division (Luke 12:51)
"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."

destroy Satan's power (Heb. 2:14)

*note these are just some of the things he came to do,theirs more but am a bit sleepy

3:Where did God come from?
Ok,by using the human concept of God aka: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc

The bible says he has always existed,even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was. (another wtf moment)
To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been.
Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him. Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity.
Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end and no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning.

4:If God is all knowing and he knows our future,then how is that free will? God knows the future of what the free will creatures choose. Free will does not stop becoming free because God knows what will happen. For example, I know that if my brother will choose to eat chocolate cake over a bowl full of stinking dead bodies (Lol). If I were to put both in front of his face, it is safe to say she will not eat dead bodies knowing this is not taking away the freedom of my child since she is freely choosing one over the other.God already knows what were going to do,he just sits their watching.Thats why their is rape,killing and murder going around.He can't stop them because that's taking away free will.

5:Why is their evil in the world????
To add that last part of number 4:
we can all agree that if we were to die for someone else then we demonstrated "love" right? We can also agree that we would so much very die for our own children right?

Well God gave his own son to die on earth for all our sins.(a wtf moment)
Its like he planned on having evil in the world,so that his son would die for our evilness,so that their would be no more.
Think about it.....sending your own son to the slaughter....all in order to demonstrate just how much you love them.

6:Why should God make people knowing they are going to hell forever?
"WTF MAN,IF "GOD' LOVES US ALL THEN WHY DID HE MAKE PEOPLE KNOWING THEIR GOING TO HELL!!!!

well...its like this.God made Adam knowing he would rebel against him.He wasn't going to stop him or do anything about it.God initial made Adam good,again it was Adam's choice to rebel.So God create more people knowing some will be good,others bad.He can't stop them or change their decisions.So........instead why not create a place similar to prison but a million times worse.Ya that'll help make some of these bad people make better decisions.....but we can't have them knowing for a fact that am real...we gotta have some doubts,some contradiction's,some illogic because if they knew I was real everyone would be doing what I said they should be doing(which is what i want) thats taking away free will.
God wants us to have faith in him,he wants us to know that he exist against all odds,he wants us to decide in whether we believe him or not.The sad thing is that in revelations,When Jesus returns the Christians will be instantly sent to heaven while the rest will be stuck on earth for quite some time.During this time they'll get a second chance.Another thing is that during this time is when their literally be hell on earth.Famines,droughts,wars,plagues.etc
The signs of his coming is when things start to heat up in the middle east

The us will no longer be a super power country.The place where bablyon will(Iraq)

fun fact:bin laden is dead,did you know?

7:How do i avoid this?
its simply,believe in God!!!!! all you gotta do is simply accept the fact that he is lord.That came to save your butt
why else would we come knocking on your doors at 7 in the morning...
all around the world their are ancient records of a massive flood(Noah's arch) records of a person who rose in the middle east,each civilization has a different name for this dude,but their all the same person: Jesus

8:blah blah blah let me go to "hell" it aint so tough
umm....hell is supposedly the scariest place ever created.You die and put together again painfully.Spending the rest of eternity in physical,emotional and psychological torture.everlasting pain and torment...but hey if you want to go see if its the real deal....more power to ya

Satan is one bad mofo.He doesn't force someone to do something,he simply twists the truth.He manipulates people,just look at what he did to Adam and eve.

9:So whats this heaven thing?
heaven is the exact opposite,you can do whatever you want how ever you want.Wanna re play your life with super powers done! want to see what it was like to live in 1787 done! want to smoke the best dang weed eva! done!
btw once your in heaven it is impossible to get sad/depressed.It can't happen.You have to be happy,high,and live in total state of euphoria.bummer isn't it

*note weed came from the earth,God said all things on earth is good.Problem comes when you place something over God.That is a big no no,nothing can be place over him...thats why weed has those "side effects" its just a caution tape so that you don't get addicted to it and let it take over your life.

10:OK I BELIEVE WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS!!!
once you accept the truth that God exist,you'll be able to ask him for favors/advice.God loves talking to people and hearing what you have to say even if he knows what your gonna say/do.(crazy dude really :P)
God answers all of your prayers,sometimes their not what you except it to be.Another thing to note is that God will "test" you sometimes by putting you in dangerous situations.This "test" is to see if your faith is still strong in him.If you pass you'll be rewarded,failed and God will simply distance himself from you.Every time you feel your faith is slipping it hurts God.

11:Ok...some questions that my fellow non believer friends ask:

The bible has been written so many times that it can't be trusted.Plus their are pages that were taken out,what now dude!!!
The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations.
So when that we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption.

What about the lost books and the missing pages!!!

1 these "lost" books/pages never claimed to be apart of the word of God.
2 they were never lost,we knew about them
3 their not motivational and had some serious historical inaccuracies
4 they were written by people who were basic peasants look to make a quick buck

*note the book of mary was not included because back then girls were...um......"stupid"
and they were pretty jealous and did not consider her book worthy,but her book is very similar to the other guys

God is great blah blah,but why do kids have to suffer
good questions,the little ones have done nothing to deserve punishment and torture(rape,bondage,ownage.etc) "if God is all loving why doesn't he stop it!"

God made Adam good,and since Adam is a representative of the entire human race....when he sin we all sin.We inherited his sin(its stupid i know) now since God place Adam in charge of the world,his sinfulness infected the earth.Sin is defined as:death disaster and decay.Furthermore, since we are made in the image of God and we are not robots without free will, God has given to us the stature and responsibility of managing what has been given to us. Therefore, God has given us a world that was good to begin with, but fell because of Adam. In this world, because we are like God in that we have responsibility and free will, we live with the consequences of our actions. Unfortunately, the consequences of sin is that sometimes the innocent suffer. :/
look at the bright side,kids get a free pass and get sent straight to heaven because they do not know right from wrong.

Should we obey governments that are bad?
lol no.You are also allowed to kill a man so long as it is for the right reasons(saving a life)
I personally would rather not to because i have no right to end someone's life.

Whats are purpose here on earth
simple.To have as much fun as possible until you die.
God does not want us to be happy.When were sad he's sad,imagine 4.5 billion people being depressed,omg thats sadness.
He wants us to live our lives as happy as possible while loving him.Is that so much to ask?Death is not suppose to be a bad thing.Its beautiful,who wouldn't want to leave this dreadful planet and go to a place of eternal happiness?
I get the question of "what if i don't make it" you will so long as you beilieve he exist.Jesus said "if you deny my existence before man,Ill deny your passage into heaven"

last one:Jesus was a magician who made people hallucinate about His miracles
In other words, countless people were all seeing Jesus do things that were not really happening and it was Jesus who was perpetrating this deception upon them. Let's take the account of where Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish (Matt. 14:19-21). Though it is certainly possible to have one person hallucinate about this, how do the critics account for five thousand people hallucinating about the same thing at the same time? Or how about the resurrection? How do the critics explain the accounts of Jesus appearing to the disciples with holes in His feet and hands? How did Jesus get numerous people to believe a lie about His resurrection (a mass hallucination?)
after the Romans, who were experts at executions, not only flogged Him severely, beat Him, and hung Him on a cross for six hours and then pierced His side where water and blood came out? How did Jesus do that?
Hallucinations are misperceptions, false interpretations of reality. It is certainly possible for a single person to have a hallucination about something. But, how do you get two, three, or four people to misperceive reality and claim to see the same thing at the same time -- like Jesus' resurrection? That is very difficult to do. In fact, have you ever heard of a group of people succumbing to a mass hallucination and all of them believe the same thing?
Also, did Jesus teach His disciples how to do mystical and/or mind control techniques? If that is so, then where is the evidence? Merely claiming that Jesus could do it, does not mean that it is true. There must be some compelling evidence to support the claim. Simply stating that miracles cannot happen and this must mean that Jesus was a magician or some sort, is begging the question. In other words, the critics assume to be true the thing they are trying to prove; namely, that miracles cannot happen.

Finally last note
I just want to know,why is it so hard to simply believe in this guy?
Are you guys scared or something? Does science always have to be right? are you gonna start saying "O science,O my science,Science damnt"
Religion is based on faith,You can't prove it or disprove it you just gotta believe in it.
Its the same thing like gravity.You know its their,but you can't see it touch it or taste it you just know its their.
I mean if you think about it,a couple hundred years ago you could be killed for saying that the earth wasn't the center of the universe.These guys weren't stupid,they built massive structures that in today's society,we would have to use cranes and computers to recreate.A builder once said that the romans were so good at building these large buildings it's simple unreal,they had this stuff down to prefect.The only ones to build a complex pipe system throughout their city.The Egyptians built pyramids with blocks that weigh like 3 tons each and we still don't know for sure how they did it!
These guys were no joke,yet they all thought the earth was the center of universe.The Egyptians thought that pharaohs were God's
and they were wrong
Consider the possibility that you could be wrong.

anyways thxs for reading dudes and dudettes,if you wanna argue or wanna point out some "flaws" be my guest.

#1 (permalink) 08-05-2008, 11:43 AM
Chirstiandude Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 45	God/Jesus/religion enough is enough Id just like to clear up some of the things on this forum I respect your views on your own religion,but please do not go prancing around spreading false accusations about mine Id liked to clear some things up with you guys so here goes: 1: Who is Jesus Jesus is God in flesh. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . .and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. . . ," (John 1:1,14). "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, <sup>18</sup>and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades," (Rev. 1:1718)."Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me," (Isaiah 44:6). Their is only 1 God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22) There is only one God who is three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person as the other. Yet, there are not three gods, only one.Theirs three different ones because they each display a different attribute,but their very aware of their own existance(wtf moment) They are simply different forms of the same person like how water appears in 3 different forms(liquid,solid,gas) hm...water is a life giving force,according to science water is a necessity in order to create/hold life. 2:What is His purpose? Jesus came to earth to get rid of all our sins(you know the bad stuff we do)he died for all of our sins on the cross. He also came to reveal who is boss. (Matt. 11:27) Came to save the world (John 3:17; Luke 19:10) To bring division (Luke 12:51) "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division." destroy Satan's power (Heb. 2:14) note these are just some of the things he came to do,theirs more but am a bit sleepy 3:Where did God come from?* Ok,by using the human concept of God aka: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc The bible says he has always existed,even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was. (another wtf moment) To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been. Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him. Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity. Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end and no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. 4:If God is all knowing and he knows our future,then how is that free will? God knows the future of what the free will creatures choose. Free will does not stop becoming free because God knows what will happen. For example, I know that if my brother will choose to eat chocolate cake over a bowl full of stinking dead bodies (Lol). If I were to put both in front of his face, it is safe to say she will not eat dead bodies knowing this is not taking away the freedom of my child since she is freely choosing one over the other.God already knows what were going to do,he just sits their watching.Thats why their is rape,killing and murder going around.He can't stop them because that's taking away free will. 5:Why is their evil in the world???? To add that last part of number 4: we can all agree that if we were to die for someone else then we demonstrated "love" right? We can also agree that we would so much very die for our own children right? Well God gave his own son to die on earth for all our sins.(a wtf moment) Its like he planned on having evil in the world,so that his son would die for our evilness,so that their would be no more. Think about it.....sending your own son to the slaughter....all in order to demonstrate just how much you love them. 6:Why should God make people knowing they are going to hell forever? "WTF MAN,IF "GOD' LOVES US ALL THEN WHY DID HE MAKE PEOPLE KNOWING THEIR GOING TO HELL!!!! well...its like this.God made Adam knowing he would rebel against him.He wasn't going to stop him or do anything about it.God initial made Adam good,again it was Adam's choice to rebel.So God create more people knowing some will be good,others bad.He can't stop them or change their decisions.So........instead why not create a place similar to prison but a million times worse.Ya that'll help make some of these bad people make better decisions.....but we can't have them knowing for a fact that am real...we gotta have some doubts,some contradiction's,some illogic because if they knew I was real everyone would be doing what I said they should be doing(which is what i want) thats taking away free will. God wants us to have faith in him,he wants us to know that he exist against all odds,he wants us to decide in whether we believe him or not.The sad thing is that in revelations,When Jesus returns the Christians will be instantly sent to heaven while the rest will be stuck on earth for quite some time.During this time they'll get a second chance.Another thing is that during this time is when their literally be hell on earth.Famines,droughts,wars,plagues.etc The signs of his coming is when things start to heat up in the middle east The us will no longer be a super power country.The place where bablyon will(Iraq) fun fact:bin laden is dead,did you know? 7:How do i avoid this? its simply,believe in God!!!!! all you gotta do is simply accept the fact that he is lord.That came to save your butt why else would we come knocking on your doors at 7 in the morning... all around the world their are ancient records of a massive flood(Noah's arch) records of a person who rose in the middle east,each civilization has a different name for this dude,but their all the same person: Jesus 8:blah blah blah let me go to "hell" it aint so tough umm....hell is supposedly the scariest place ever created.You die and put together again painfully.Spending the rest of eternity in physical,emotional and psychological torture.everlasting pain and torment...but hey if you want to go see if its the real deal....more power to ya Satan is one bad mofo.He doesn't force someone to do something,he simply twists the truth.He manipulates people,just look at what he did to Adam and eve. 9:So whats this heaven thing? heaven is the exact opposite,you can do whatever you want how ever you want.Wanna re play your life with super powers done! want to see what it was like to live in 1787 done! want to smoke the best dang weed eva! done! btw once your in heaven it is impossible to get sad/depressed.It can't happen.You have to be happy,high,and live in total state of euphoria.bummer isn't it note weed came from the earth,God said all things on earth is good.Problem comes when you place something over God.That is a big no no,nothing can be place over him...thats why weed has those "side effects" its just a caution tape so that you don't get addicted to it and let it take over your life. 10:OK I BELIEVE WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS!!!* once you accept the truth that God exist,you'll be able to ask him for favors/advice.God loves talking to people and hearing what you have to say even if he knows what your gonna say/do.(crazy dude really :P) God answers all of your prayers,sometimes their not what you except it to be.Another thing to note is that God will "test" you sometimes by putting you in dangerous situations.This "test" is to see if your faith is still strong in him.If you pass you'll be rewarded,failed and God will simply distance himself from you.Every time you feel your faith is slipping it hurts God. 11:Ok...some questions that my fellow non believer friends ask: The bible has been written so many times that it can't be trusted.Plus their are pages that were taken out,what now dude!!! The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. So when that we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption. What about the lost books and the missing pages!!! 1 these "lost" books/pages never claimed to be apart of the word of God. 2 they were never lost,we knew about them 3 their not motivational and had some serious historical inaccuracies 4 they were written by people who were basic peasants look to make a quick buck note the book of mary was not included because back then girls were...um......"stupid" and they were pretty jealous and did not consider her book worthy,but her book is very similar to the other guys God is great blah blah,but why do kids have to suffer* good questions,the little ones have done nothing to deserve punishment and torture(rape,bondage,ownage.etc) "if God is all loving why doesn't he stop it!" God made Adam good,and since Adam is a representative of the entire human race....when he sin we all sin.We inherited his sin(its stupid i know) now since God place Adam in charge of the world,his sinfulness infected the earth.Sin is defined as:death disaster and decay.Furthermore, since we are made in the image of God and we are not robots without free will, God has given to us the stature and responsibility of managing what has been given to us. Therefore, God has given us a world that was good to begin with, but fell because of Adam. In this world, because we are like God in that we have responsibility and free will, we live with the consequences of our actions. Unfortunately, the consequences of sin is that sometimes the innocent suffer. :/ look at the bright side,kids get a free pass and get sent straight to heaven because they do not know right from wrong. Should we obey governments that are bad? lol no.You are also allowed to kill a man so long as it is for the right reasons(saving a life) I personally would rather not to because i have no right to end someone's life. Whats are purpose here on earth simple.To have as much fun as possible until you die. God does not want us to be happy.When were sad he's sad,imagine 4.5 billion people being depressed,omg thats sadness. He wants us to live our lives as happy as possible while loving him.Is that so much to ask?Death is not suppose to be a bad thing.Its beautiful,who wouldn't want to leave this dreadful planet and go to a place of eternal happiness? I get the question of "what if i don't make it" you will so long as you beilieve he exist.Jesus said "if you deny my existence before man,Ill deny your passage into heaven" last one:Jesus was a magician who made people hallucinate about His miracles In other words, countless people were all seeing Jesus do things that were not really happening and it was Jesus who was perpetrating this deception upon them. Let's take the account of where Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish (Matt. 14:19-21). Though it is certainly possible to have one person hallucinate about this, how do the critics account for five thousand people hallucinating about the same thing at the same time? Or how about the resurrection? How do the critics explain the accounts of Jesus appearing to the disciples with holes in His feet and hands? How did Jesus get numerous people to believe a lie about His resurrection (a mass hallucination?) after the Romans, who were experts at executions, not only flogged Him severely, beat Him, and hung Him on a cross for six hours and then pierced His side where water and blood came out? How did Jesus do that? Hallucinations are misperceptions, false interpretations of reality. It is certainly possible for a single person to have a hallucination about something. But, how do you get two, three, or four people to misperceive reality and claim to see the same thing at the same time -- like Jesus' resurrection? That is very difficult to do. In fact, have you ever heard of a group of people succumbing to a mass hallucination and all of them believe the same thing? Also, did Jesus teach His disciples how to do mystical and/or mind control techniques? If that is so, then where is the evidence? Merely claiming that Jesus could do it, does not mean that it is true. There must be some compelling evidence to support the claim. Simply stating that miracles cannot happen and this must mean that Jesus was a magician or some sort, is begging the question. In other words, the critics assume to be true the thing they are trying to prove; namely, that miracles cannot happen. Finally last note I just want to know,why is it so hard to simply believe in this guy? Are you guys scared or something? Does science always have to be right? are you gonna start saying "O science,O my science,Science damnt" Religion is based on faith,You can't prove it or disprove it you just gotta believe in it. Its the same thing like gravity.You know its their,but you can't see it touch it or taste it you just know its their. I mean if you think about it,a couple hundred years ago you could be killed for saying that the earth wasn't the center of the universe.These guys weren't stupid,they built massive structures that in today's society,we would have to use cranes and computers to recreate.A builder once said that the romans were so good at building these large buildings it's simple unreal,they had this stuff down to prefect.The only ones to build a complex pipe system throughout their city.The Egyptians built pyramids with blocks that weigh like 3 tons each and we still don't know for sure how they did it! These guys were no joke,yet they all thought the earth was the center of universe.The Egyptians thought that pharaohs were God's and they were wrong Consider the possibility that you could be wrong. anyways thxs for reading dudes and dudettes,if you wanna argue or wanna point out some "flaws" be my guest.