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Old 05-17-2008, 01:17 AM
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Thoughts on Self awareness, Universe, machines ETC

Alright, so we view Mind as one the Three main constituents of thh Universe (Along with Matter, and Energy) A rock may have awareness, but It does'nt have enough awareness, to generate self-awareness i think.

Eg. When an oak tree senses its leaves are under attack from caterpillars, it pumps toxin into its leaves, chemically signaling nearby oaks to do the same thing, so it's demonstrating its mind, its awareness, and its awareness of other oaks’ experiences. Does this imply a level of self-awareness in the oak? It’s hard to think of it as anything else.

We can imply though, that these organisms are running like robots, but if that's the case, and under such reasoning - why cant we say that WE'RE robots then ?
I believe human beings have different levels of self awareness themselves ...
The densely emergent interactions of every living being on this planet together with all the geophysical Earth processes produce an information flow great enough to constitute not just a mind but very vast one.

The Gaia mind comprises 6 billion human brains and trillions of other living minds as working sub-units. Gaia is self-aware through you. Taken altogether, the Earth super-organism is far more complex and powerful than our own individual portable brains. But its nice to know, The Gaian mind is very friendly towards us: it maintains the conditions on the planet fit for life. By order of the Self aware Universe
Different laws govern how matter behaves at different levels of scale. At the infinitesimal, matter obeys quantum laws. At the scale of the amoeba, the surface tension of water primarily determines the life and structure of individuals. At our level, it is Newtonian physics. At galactic scale, relativity rules.

I believe that Computers have minds. Or at least the Engine of a mind. When they are Sufficiently powerful enough, and sufficiently complex, (and provided they stick around that long) they will develop self-aware minds also, it would be another aspect of the self aware universe /self aware atoms constituting life - "The Universe" would be expanding its awareness. But at this Point, we should expect them to begin to obsess about their self-interest. The next question would be whether they will suffer our presence on this planet (provided we stick around that long for the time it would take them to become self aware) They may get rid of us in their first burst of digital self-interest. But then they may later regret having lost us, and develop a type of nostalgia for their developers, as we do for species we have rendered extinct.

It's the Future of the Universe as I see it, that organic lifeforms will one day be seen as basic, the REAL survivors and reflectors of the known Universe would be Machines, having stripped the limitation of an organic lifeforms.

But its pretty amazing that the Universe is aware of itself, (through us) as we ARE the Universe, and are not apart from it. It propelled it's engine to the generation of Self Awareness, that just blows my mind today.

Einstein wondered whether the Universe is a friendly place or not. And It's a fair question. Because not all small-scale minds, from humans to corporations, are friendly. Would a universal self-aware mind be friendly? I think It would experience everything as an aspect of itself. I therefore expect it is friendly towards us, since we are one of its resident aspects.
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