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Originally Posted by flyhalf87
Maybe this is why PZ was expelled from expelled, he isnt open to debate, which is what the point of the movie is, to show that evolution is just as much of a theory as creationism or ID.
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Creationism is ID. However, this has been stressed time and again, so excuse me if I get a little annoyed but... Evolution is a scientific theory. Which means...
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the theory of general relativity.
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http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html
Creationists argue that evolution is "only a theory and cannot be proven."
As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.
Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.
A fact is something that is supported by unmistakeable evidence. For example, the Grand Canyon cuts through layers of different kinds of rock, such as the Coconino sandstone, Hermit shale, and Redwall limestone. These rock layers often contain fossils that are found only in certain layers. Those are the facts.
It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.
Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn't change the facts themselves.
Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.
Creationists refuse to subject their "theories" to peer reviews, because they know they don't fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of "good science" (creationism) vs. "bad science" (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation "scientists" are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religioius beliefs.
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So, as you can see, saying evolution is "just a theory" is rather inaccurate and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of science, the scientific method, and scientific terminology. I find such a misunderstanding odd in someone who speaks with such authority on the subject.
ID/Creationism is not a scientific theory. There is no science to it. At best it could be called an hypothesis, at worst, religious dogma. So, although the movie may try to say that ID is a theory just like evolution, that would be woefully inaccurate, incorrect, and a basic lie. Evolution, moreover, is not only a theory but it is also a fact. For more information,
Click Here and
Click Here. Also, check the previous links and you will clearly see the point of this movie is not debate at all.
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Originally Posted by flyhalf87
what caused the big bang to happen? where is the proof? how is that any different from believing in God?
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Why do I have to tell you what caused the big bang to happen? Because we do not know why it happened, we do not know it did? So, if we do not know why a murderer killed someone, no murder took place? Explaining the why would be nice, but is not necessary to know something took place. As for the proof of the big bang, perhaps you should look into it. The difference between accepting something like evolution and believing in god is, one has evidence to support it, the other does not.
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Originally Posted by flyhalf87
"I have nothing but contempt for ID," Myers says. "The old-school creationists were people who just didn't know much and were sincere in their belief in their Bible. Fine. But the new school is people who have had training, scientists who know a little bit about biology and molecular biology and put on their lab coats and say all this ridiculous nonsense. I find that fundamentally dishonest."
http://citypages.com/databank/26/130...908.asp?page=2
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It is fundamentally dishonest. Why? Because they ignore evidence, or in some cases fudge it around to say what they want it to say, they use scientific understanding from half a century ago to dispute current day scientific understanding.
Creationist's Lie
Creationist's Lie
Creationist's Lie
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Originally Posted by flyhalf87
and sorry for starting up a new thread about this, i was out of town for a few days and missed out on the news
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No worries.
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Originally Posted by bkadoctaj
It's possible they might just subconsciously want to justify humans as being the highest, most intelligent, and rational form of life. Evolution theory will definitely lend itself to that desire.
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Oh, really? Now, why would evolution theory lend itself to that desire, because that one flew over my head like a 747?