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Originally Posted by HighGrowMan View Post
It's difficult to have a discussion about this unless we're all talking about the same thing.

Some of the definitions of Faith, Religion and Science and Wisdom overlap.

Science isn't religion because religion recognizes things that we don't have the ability to reproduce, and accepts them by faith. By some of the definitions science will only recognize what is reproducible, in the material sense.

However, that said, scientists are beginning (more and more) to try and answer questions about the non-material world. So at that point, science comes very close to the same questions that are in religions.


Religion

-a set of attitudes, beliefs, and practices pertaining to supernatural power.

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a system of beliefs relating to supernatural or superhuman beings or forces that transcend the everyday material world.

-an organized system of faith and worship

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"1 the belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. in a personal God or gods entitled to obedience and worship. 2 the expression of this in worship. 3 a particular system of faith and worship


Science
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Science is both a body of knowledge and a set of processes for advancing that knowledge. More specifically, science is mankind's interconnected, internally consistent, growing body of knowledge about natural and man-made objects and phenomena of the past, present, and future; a body of knowledge

- A method of gathering information through the senses and logic (mathematics). Science has origins in philosophy. Science is one of humanity's inventions. But science as a method is more specific than philosophy. Science aspires to see connections. It reaches for tentative conclusions.

-Science, in the broadest sense, refers to any system of knowledge which attempts to model objective reality. In a more restricted sense, science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research.

- the study of the natural world


- systematically acquired knowledge that is verifiable.

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Science no longer seeks to explain phenomena and arrive at any kind of reality; rather, it now seeks to classify phenomena according to preconceived models.

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Studies that normally encompass courses based on a knowledge of facts, phenomena, laws, and proximate cause are designated Science (eg, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Geography, Geology, Mathematics, Nutrition, and Physics).

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Science is sometimes defined by Plato to be that which assigns the causes of things; sometimes to be that the subjects of which have a perfectly stable essence; and together with this, he conjoins the assignation of cause from reasoning.

Wisdom
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accumulated knowledge or erudition or enlightenment

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the trait of utilizing knowledge and experience with common sense and insight

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ability to apply knowledge or experience or understanding or common sense and insight

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the quality of being prudent and sensible

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Wisdom is the ability, developed through experience, insight and reflection, to discern truth and exercise good judgment. Wisdom is sometimes conceptualized as an especially well developed form of common sense.

-is the result of learning and using knowledge for a strategic advantage. After gaining knowledge, wisdom is used to meet new situations. Wisdom resides in the minds of the users.

-evaluating understanding to determine underlying principles or processes. Understanding why Mark's grandfather's visits help Mark's math performance requires wisdom to discern whether Mark is influenced by the additional adult attention, his grandfather's presence, or even the books that Mark's

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is the ability to discern inner qualities and relationships; it is synonymous with insight, good sense, and sound judgment. It means to have "deep understanding", "to have keen discernment", "to have sanctified common sense", "to have the capacity for sound judgment"

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Refers to the fundamental nature of mind; not something developed or created, but ever-present and spontaneous.

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The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting.

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is special illumination that enables one in a specific instance to grasp divine insight regarding a fact, situation, or context. This gift is useful in directing the Body in what to do next; in making God's will known.

- Knowledge with information so thoroughly assimilated as to have produced sagacity, judgment, and insight.

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"Wisdom" is the second of the ten sefirot, and the first power of conscious intellect within Creation.


Faith
- Faith can refer to any of a number of ideas, including::* Confidence in a person or thing (e.g. "I have faith that he will keep his promise");* Adherence to an obligation of loyalty to a person, organization, or idea (e.g. "I will be faithful to my spouse

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For anyone in the Middle Ages, faith was a cornerstone element of their lives, without which the struggle and privations. For a medieval person, life on earth was but a brief transition to the afterlife in heaven, hell or purgatory.

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Acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or reason.

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Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. This is not expected in Spiritualism where proof is offered.

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Belief without evidence

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A general term for religious belief used both of an attitude (to have faith) and of a collection of doctrines (the faith).

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A convinced belief; a condition of mind fully satisfied; next to actual knowledge. We have faith the sun will rise to-morrow morning, but the knowledge can not be actual until after sunrise.

- Reliance or trust in something without proof
Wait, so where are you getting all of this? Is this quoted from somewhere else?

What I'm trying to get at again is that we're putting things into boxes. Some people might claim that Science is about discovery. We if that's so, then why are we CREATING new theories? Would theories be recognized by anything other than a human, at least in the sense of Science? Would they be recognized as theories before someone claimed they were and others accepted them as credible on some level? Talk about Creationism. I've said it before: there is one concept (Existence); it has infinite subtleties and perceptual dimensions.
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