[Digit]

Originally posted by Buzz



Digit ma man, you're heart is in the right place, but you're aiming at the wrong demon...Capitalism and money isn't the problem, Socialism is...if we're talking about 2 economic systems and what kind of social and political systems spring from them, I'll take capitalism every damn time.

The beauty of capitalism is that it works efficiently and automatically. If "Economics" is "the distribution of limited natural resources to fulfill Man's unlimited wants & needs" then capitalism is the best way to spread the goods, bar none.

yeah, you wanna bring issues of natural resources and environment into this too? modern socialists care far more about those natural resources than capitalists do. capitalism would bleed teh world dry for every penny it has then find something else to make money from. socialism would deploy an overall strategy that would both provide and preserve. sounds to me like a far better solution than the chaotic free for all money grabbing stink hole of an idea.

Originally posted by Buzz
It may not always be the most equitable, but it automatically takes care of all of the billions of price, supply & demand decisions that occur daily in an economy. In a socialist economy, the central government's got to make those decisions. The result, a repressive central government, fewer civil liberties, not enough of the goods people want, too much crap that nobody wants and a currency that isn't worth sh*t. Want some examples in the real world? Look at the former Soviet Union, China and the last dinosaur: Cuba. Their economies all suck(ed), their people had a terrible medical, food & clothing shortages, let alone getting modern electronics etc. and they lived in a police state.

thankfully not all governments are the same then huh?
but yeah.. thats probably the best argument against socialism yet. It's never really worked before, so why should it work now. thus why i believe technology is the answer.
and not having psycho authoritarians as your leader is a good step in teh right direction too. and of course... not having capitalist subversives overthrowing anything nearby that can be overthrown would help too.

Originally posted by Buzz
Oh yeah, Capitalism oppresses people. Well, what were the socialist parties doing to their citizens that didn't like the way the party was running things? You don't like a few people getting rich in the Capitalist system? What about the party elite in any socialist country? Look at Cuba & N. Korea today. Talk about oppressing the masses!

yeah man, thats what i'm talking about though... corruption. if we can stamp that out then it would be faaaar better for the people. try this one on for size...
a socialist democracy.

Originally posted by Buzz
Capitalism isn't perfect.

no system is. .. not yet anyway. but i think through socialism the best solution for everyone can be found.

Originally posted by Buzz
For example, it doesn't care about the ecology, it doesn't care about the arts, etc. However, for the past 100 years, the leading "capitalist" democracies of the world have become increasingly socialist: medicade, social security, progressive income taxes, supporting organized labor, equal rights and civil liberties. These are the luxeries that capitalistic democracies afford us.

Yeah, but less of the capitalist for that though. that was democracy that got us these socialist ideas put in place. if capitalism had its way we'd allhave to pay for all of it.

Originally posted by Buzz
We've become more socialist, not more capitalistic, while the former socialist states have trashed their socialistic ideals and jumped feet first into capitalism.

so, which is it? which are you gonna believe? we becoming more socialist or capitalist? y'know.. there was a time when america was more left than russia.

Originally posted by Buzz
At least with our capitalistic system we can vote out the jerks running the country if they're screwing us.

nah, you're getting confused again. thats democracy that grants us that.. capitalism is what allows us to buy our way into power if we dont like the people in power and have the money to do so. see? theres a difference.

Originally posted by Buzz
As much as businesses try to influence government, they don't vote, we do and we elect our representatives.

money has a hellova lotta influence tho. u gotta admit... enough money can influence the results of teh election, and even when (if) the people get who they wanted in power that person can still be swayed through various means by the power of money.

Originally posted by Buzz
As long as we stick together, make our opinions heard and vote, we will continue to enjoy the freedoms our societies have worked & died for for over the centuries.


PEACE

^ yeah.. i really like that bit.