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Old 07-21-2003, 06:27 PM
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Talking Rant in B sharp.

yeah, capitalism works if you're a greedy bastard willing to fuck people over. after all, thats the premis that capitalism works on right? people are greedy and so the system needs to accomodate for that right?

ok then. fine. it works.
...is that REALLY how we want things to work?? a tiny proportion of super rich with more money and power than is ever going to be necessary, and the vast masses either struggling for enough food and water, or struggling to maintain what they get so they dont slip further down into relative poverty back to struggling for enough food and water.

oh yeah... capitalism really "works" alright.

imagine what humanity could acheive if we were'nt all struggling for our own survival. imagine what could be possable if our survival was basically taken care of, giving us all the time to pusue more interesting and challenging endevours.

we've already seen this to some extent. there have been many great leaps and bounds that have allowed humans far better odds. the earliest probably being the development of agriculture. Once people no longer needed to spend all their time hunting, creativity seemed to spring from no where. greater diversity in society occured. Another great leap has been in this last century... technology. mechanised automation of factories for example. The title of this thread might be "Socialism through Capitalism", but thats only because we're in capitalism now... what can REALLY aid Socialism, is technology. All those people who are part of the capitalist machine are only part of it for teh sake of keeping the money ticking over. its completely unecessary. how many times have we heard things about companies being unable to improve productivity and efficiencey because it would cost jobs. w t f !? capitalism has reached its end if it is now holding us back. do you think those people really want those jobs? is that really what they want to be doing with their lives? no. i doubt it. the only reason they want to cling to their jobs is their pay packet at the end of each month. Hello wellfare state. ;p

Socialism, like democracy, is a process, one that developes, grows and improves. or at least, thats how its supposed to be *coughamericacough* hehe. so what drives that process or development and improvement. in socialism and democracy (asuming it is as it is on paper and not corrupted by ... by... say capitalism for example. religion could be another) it is the people who are the guiding force. "power to the people"? sound familiar? it should. thats how things are supposed to be. with capitalism however, the only true guiding force is profitability. cant you see why thats a fundamentally bad idea? i hope so, i dont want to have to explain it cos i know i'd only end up using a billion different examples. We do our best to keep capitalism in check.. but thats not enough. We no longer live in "liberal democracies" as we are lead to believe. We live in Capitalist democracies. Capitalism cannot be controlled and kept in check. It's power extends too far and to deap. and its only getting more so. the only answer i see to this destruction of the very fabric of society is to grow a new society along side (even INSIDE) capitalism until the beast finally falls.

now if i understand socialism at all, money would eventually be phased out. it is an unecessary glitch in the system. in my opinion anyways. if left liberal ideals were followed to the extreme, money would, through all the various means of achieving better equality, basically become meaningless. it already is meaningless really when you think about it. its nothing more than numbers jumping around through the system in big loops and circles. only problem is peoples greed. there are those who manage to syphon off enough money for themselve and more, and the more money you have, the more money you can get.

fucked.

capitalism is fucked and its fucking us.

rant fin.


ps. yeah joshy. same to u too.
hurrah for diversity.
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