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Originally Posted by MelT
Excellent posting, I'd rep you for it if I could. The bible is a very murky document, full of spin. The idea of the Messiah was always someone who would deliver the hebrews from the roman oppressors - not someone who was a spiritual leader, but an activist and fighter.
Not many know that John the Baptist was a far bigger figure in Jesus time than Jesus ever was, and he was killed because of the size of his following and the power he was accumulating. Jesus was a late-comer who never made the same impact. If anyone fulfilled any prophecies it was JTB.
I'll post about the ressurection later, very interesting stuff.
MelT
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It seems God planned it - and turned his back on the Jews- he blantantly lied in their face for their hope of a liberator - according to his promises. In Isaiah, the prophets wrote sweet promises of hope and liberation for the Jews.
Isa 54:9 ”Just as I swore in the time of Noah that I would never again let a flood cover the earth and destroy its life, so now I swear that I will never again pour out my anger on you.
10 For the mountains may depart and the hills disappear, but even then I will remain loyal to you. My covenant of blessing will never be broken,” says the LORD...
half a century later they get plundered by the Romans! wtf?
And the only prophecy significant enough to attribute to Jesus's coming was Daniel's prophecy of Weeks:
9:25 Know therefore and understand, that
from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the
Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
9:26 And after threescore and two weeks Messiah shall be cut off...And
he shall confirm the
covenant with many for one week: and in the
midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease... and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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Jesus came specifically in the time he was prophecied to come and was even "cut off" in the middle of the week. ". but then ancient prophets like jeremiah and malachi were waay off the mark on the prophecies of Jesus! hence modern theologians' attempt to cover up this error in prophecy by hoping for a 'future' fulfillment of these predictions- which - in fact were supposed to be fulfilled long ago, thats why prophecy will always evolve, as long as there are theologians to cover up for for the Bible's inconsistancies.