[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by cannabis

well you can't prove whether God is perfect or not, so let's agree to disagree. And I suppose you can consider the bible to be a form of propaganda but not exactly in the sense you're referring to. You could consider all of religion to be propaganda if you disregard faith, which is complicated...

I don't think it is at all. It's totally like the Commissars and communist propaganda of Soviet Russia. Make all the proletariats think that the leader is great and infallible, when he is anything but. It is a system of control.

I am going on the given belief that God is extremely imperfect and not omnipotent. Because in order to believe that, you have to believe his propaganda

Well that's another thing how do you know God is a "he", I believe God is not a specific gender but more of an essence or something related

Well, actually we sort of do know God is a he. When God created human life (in his image), he created Adam. It was only later on that he created Women from Man.

...Anyway I believe God has the right to be egotistical and controlling considering God created humans, would you not want your creations to be grateful that you created them? It just doesn't seem far fetched to me that the creations of a creator should show respect to that individual...

Well exactly, thats appealing to his large ego. He wouldn't us rather be happy? to have a cosmic purpose? Would he rather us focus on the growth and development of our species politically, technologically, and socially? No, he'd rather we suck off his ego every sabbath.

Seems like the actions of a very insecure and inadequate person to me.

I see where you're coming from. No one knows for sure.

And that's my point

how so?

He is limited in the capacity, that I have yet to see creations which don't adhere to the law of physics. The universal gravitation equation works, and so does the universal wave equation. He is limited in the capacity that he cannot create anything in violation of those laws. Or as we have yet to see.

You could argue he was the one who created those physical boundaries of creation, but he is still limited by them.

That's exactly it...we only replicate, and not necessarily create.

Well I have yet to see proof that god created either.

As far as I'm concerned we're the product of matter, time and fundamental physical laws. If you ask me, we have more of a capacity to create life that god does.

Replication is creation to me. It's more of a philosophical divide. Do you see yourself a simply a continuation of the DNA and memes of your original ancestor (Adam and Eve, I suppose) from 6000 years ago, or are you a unique individual?

I'm playing devil's advocate here, so my own personal belief somewhat skews this argument.

Sure i suppose artificial intelligence is possible, but it's artificial...I feel we can't create life on a scale in which God has already done.

Why not? It only seems artificial to use, because we are conditioned in our capacity to recognize biological intelligence.

If we could replicate every single neuron and electrical impulse in a brain, and compact that into a silicon CPU; why is that still artificial? Does it not function the same way? Does it not produce the same result? Does that intelligence have the illusion of free will?

What if we give these intelligences an algorithm to take the individual characters of two pairs and to create a third intelligence with a combination of both; boom, you have sexual reproduction. Whos to say that we cannot populate an entire race of genetically linked, communication competent intelligence computers?

The only difference would be is that their neural connectors are homogeneous alloys and non-metals, whereas ours is biological.

And who knows, maybe with the prevailance of nanorobotics, these computers would be able to 'grow' and learn, to regularly increase their understanding, their processing power and perception of the physical world around them.

We may very well be able to create life on a scale that God couldn't even begin to match.

Talk to Skywalker, he can articulate the specifics of this much better than I can.