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Which doesn't seem as the cruel as the way some parents treat their kids, which in turn isn't as cruel as the way some soldiers treat their captives, or war, or how we treat our planet, and so on, and so on. That's a whole different subject.

Don't be sorry; just keep on doing your bit! There's a sea-change in progress, and if we all did our bit; live organic, those who can boycott, boycot; those who can write letters, write letters, and the rest; like you obviously do; greedy, destructive corporations would catch-on a lot sooner!

But no one on this forum is transporting truckfuls of live dogs across the continent (with their legs broken, so they can be tied behind their back - from a recent news story), or doing animal-testing, vivisection, shit! we're tokers! We respect the herb! Mother Nature!

But tokers do sometimes get funny ideas about the boundaries between what they enjoy as humans, and what their pets might also find enjoyably, i.e. weed. Some animals do want to get high, and that's their right, and also their right to decide how high. We all have limits, and I'm sure that if an animal wants to experiment with theirs, they'll move closer, whatever. A white-out isn't pleasant. How much is too much for a medium-sized dog? Here's where the grey area is, for me. Here's where I'm looking...

If a cat jumps on to the arm of my chair, and I accidentaly blow smoke in his face. When I spark up again, he sits erect and sticks his nose to the joint, waiting, do I blow it in his face again on purpose?

That's between a human and their animal companion someplace off these boards. And that's the only descision that really needs to be made. Any more human involvement is barbarism, cruelty. But; is it right to deny them? We just don't know that, and I want to know that.

It's good that the management draws the line right there, and it's healthy to look at this subject honestly, but if it all gets blown out of the water, mixed up with way bigger topics, I'm thinking it makes it harder to walk away from the discussion with an objective perspective, and so make an uncluttered decision when the time comes to make it. I'm pondering the term Animals Rights...

I think rounder975 started this thread to try and move the argument beyond cruelty, to openly discuss the challenging problem that while some animals want to get high, and will show that to their humans; their humans don't have the facts regarding the impact to their animal's health, and so can't make informed decisions.

With good information, and an uncluttered understanding of the the real issues, we can do the right thing, whatever it is, for our animal companions.

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